You have entered the M & P Zone. All are welcome. The idea is simple: Here all ye (or we?) may gather 'round in a circle of confusion and set our 'tips to discussing issues relating to
Questions, answers, ideas, and interaction.
Click on OK to begin.
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X-ray movie film
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Process ektachrome in the versamat
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Make a high speed camera from a Pringle's can. Wind the film inside the can
in a spiral, against the inside surface. Put a mirror inside on a rod, and
at a 45 degree angle. Use a lens to aim some image into the end of the can,
at the mirror. Spin the mirror and move the rod from one end of the can to
the other. Or keep the mirror & rod still, and spin the can (which is
probably a better way, now that I mention it). You would probably need a
rotating shutter of some sort, or a special mirror, unless you wanted a
high speed drum streak camera. This original idea will cost you one 6-pack
of Pilsner Urquell.
The readily available and cheap Pringle's can should not be overlooked when
searching for M&P projects. It could also be used as a film drying cabinet,
a developing tank, an enlarger, a pinhole camera, and a light box. So save
those Pringles cans.
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Two Words: Infrared Porno
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A 35mm camera that has a built-in halftone screen at the film plane. You
could shoot little tiny halftones from "live" subjects by loading the
camera with litho film. This idea will cost you a 6-pack of Michael Shea's.
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Build a special camera that fits in the grille of your car. It could be
pointed down at the road to photograph roadkill. Of course, it would be a
high-speed camera of some sort; you would have to determine the best design
to employ in order to get sharp pictures of road.
Alternate use: Expose the film whenever you are speeding and a cop passes
you. You could then have a photographic record of your speed!
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Photoshop "custom" filter settings that will simulate the following:
Sabattier effect
Solarization
"Flashing"
Intensification/Reduction
Accidentally moving your paper during exposure
Different developers/dilutions
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I did find a system to SCAN the surface of the road. Using a modified 35mm
camera that has a slit on the film plane. Using 12vdc from my WAGON, I was
able to power the motor that moved the film across the slit in the back of
the camera. Students interested in this and many other IMAGING techniques
should look into Andy's PHOTOINSTRUMENTATION class. There are three
quarters of it, all different!
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Also, you could use a drum camera: drum diameter=wheel size. Power the
drum by a friction-flywheel transverter transducer connected to the wheel.
This would allow the drum to exactly match the speed of the wheel, which
should give you exact film-road sync. The only trick then is to open &
close the slit at the right moment...
Anyway--here is another idea: A computer program that controls a
densitometer, or at least saves the data generated from it. I thought
someone was working on this, and if so, I should love to see it! I would
pay a six-pack of Heinekin to borrow it.
Two six-packs if it connects to and runs on a Mac.
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My local video store has huge plate glass windows. The video boxes are all
faded and look really really terrible. I think they need a uv coating on
their windows. An enterprising student could fabricate several clear
plastic video sleeves or covers and test different uv coatings: clear
paints, lacquers, films, etc. A photographic evidence of effectiveness
would probably be a pretty good m&p project, IMHO.
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Anyway, here is another project idea. (I wish other people besides Dave
would offer their ideas, it would be more... something. Not that there's
anything WRONG with Dave, of course. Except that magnet.)
Calibrate your light meter in standard light bulb wattage
increments, instead of EV. Now, someone ELSE should post
a possible use for such a meter. This idea will cost you
one Becks from the bottom of your 'fridge.
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By the way: Cool Colt is a mint-flavored malt liquor. The labels are light
blue, of course. Anyway, it tastes like shi_. Try it today!
Project Idea: Two words: Beer Filter.
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Yeah, sure. You could test how filtering with different brands of beer
affects the response of the film. It would also be interesting to see what
all those bubbles do to the final image....
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Hand colored b&w negs, printed in color.
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I dunno if this has been brought up before (I forget so quickly), but how
about jello filters? both liquid and solid?
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I think almost any translucent food would be a good filter. I also submit
that any food can be translucent with a strong enough light source. Anyway,
as far as M & P projects go, filters are always a decent exploration,
especially in conjunction with some characteristic of the photo process:
B&W paper, red dye layers, tonal range, etc.
IDEA: Reverse schlieren. (possible demo Fri @ 7)
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Image to audio conversions.
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Audio to image data conversion.
Old idea, but possibly cool project.
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Bill also has built a rocket plane. he took one of those balsa wood
gluiders, reinforced it, put a C engine on it and it flys. the first time
we tried it the wings broke off. as soon as spring comes i think we're
going to play around with this more.
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Yes, the rocket fascination is strong in this one.
Use the AC power supply, Puke.
Andy-wan, is that you? What should I do?
Give in to your terran urges, weakling...
Use the kinematics you learned in Physics, Puke. Scarf will relent.
Your flight is my power. Give it to me.
Oh, Andy-wan, the power of the slide rule is too strong...
I have already sapped your 6-volt. Give in to the power of
the slide rule.
Use the Newton, Puke.
My NEWTON! Scarf will not ground me. The power of the Newton...
It is our only hope, Puke.
You are almost mine, now, young rebel.
...leaves me only one choice: 3...2...1...
NO!
...DIE SCARF SCHRAEDER! Wait a minute... This thing
doesn't work... The Newton is broken...
You have neglected friction, you embicile. Your flight is
hereby SCRUBBED! Give your urges over to the slide rule.
Puke, can you hear me?
Yes, Andy-wan?
I forgot to tell you something.
What?
Just because the Newton is digital, doesn't mean it is more accurate.
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Photoshop "custom" filters settings or "Arbitrary" curves that produce the
effect of cross-processing.
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Idea for the M & P Projects and M & P Tutoring:
Create a new topic in the Photography conference.
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Three words: DIY electrophotography
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Idea: Post test dates, statistical results, and
review dates. Also, study group want-ads.
Also: On-line M&P tutoring, with the entire
photo school at your disposal (almost)
for FREE.
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Document the differences in all versions of one film
product, such as Plus-X 35mm, 120, sheet, and movie.
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Report on the State of Crime Scene Photography
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Statistical Analysis of the Kodak Create-a-Print
(Color accuracy or gamut, tone repro, etc. etc.)
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Determine the location of the IR focusing mark
on a 4x5 inch view camera
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Track the tone repro characteristics and keep an SPC (statistical process
control) log for a copy machine or a laser printer to which you have access
over a period of 10 weeks, sampling daily.
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determine the exposure accuracy of the built-in meters in various
point-n-shoot cameras.
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set up a time-lapse system to record the activity on the vax terminal in
tech alley
process color paper using the pods from polaroid film.
try Rit dyes to tone papers.
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man, i thought of a great project yesterday while
reading the paper. darn, i can't remember.
Hmmmm.....................................................................
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Uh, something about measuring speed. hmm.
OH YES!!!!!!
OK. OK. This one is great.
OK.
OK.
Let's say you have a closed and CONTROLLED camera/processing loop.
OK. Here's the M & P Project; it's sort of a puzzle:
Construct a calibration system that uses DENSITY to
determine the speed of a moving car.
Let's hear your ideas; then I'll share MY solution
(which surely is not the only way!).
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Three words: DIY electrophotography
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Put a coin-operated densitometer or tri-x processor
in tech alley. Think about it, baby.
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Two words: Gerbil agitation
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two words: Edible Emulsions
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Great idea, Edible Emulsions! It's already jello...
Here's a follow up to my challenge on calibrating density
to measure the speed of an object in a closed loop.
Let's say you are trying to measure the speed of the belt in the cafeteria
that takes the dirty plates into the scullery. (Assume that the belt has a
threshold of speed above which the belt will break, the belt will wear out,
or the plates will fly off; and that you need to check this speed and
regulate it on a regular basis to a high degree of precision; and that the
belt doesn't change in length significantly over time (<.01mm/year), and
that the belt will be used for a few years.)
If you attach a white card or crash-test-dummy style target to the belt,
and photograph it every day with the same camera, same film emulsion, same
lighting, and same everything, and subsequently process the film
identically each day, you should be able to detect variances in the speed
of the target on the film by measuring the density on film each day with
the same densitometer, subsequently creating a body of data over 10 years
or so that will allow you to look up the density in a table to see if the
belt was moving too fast on a particular day, compared to others days when
the belt was obviously moving too fast (plates flew off) and to other days
when the belt _seemed_ to be moving at an acceptable speed, but was in
fact moving very slightly too fast, causing wear which was discovered only
many weeks later (and identified in the data, plotted as a q-c graph,
manifested as an upward curve, or trend) due to breakage or slippage; this
would of course only improve the reliability of the calibrated body of
density data, thus improving predictability and confidence in the
density=speed conclusions each day.
I know that in a practical sense, no one has ten years to devote to an M&P
project, but if this method were applied in a more condensed fashion, a
body of data could be gathered describing the characteristics of the belt
behavior over the period of one day, and take into account the effect of
the weight of various combinations of utensils on the belt speed, and
these differences and variations added to the data in order to account for
specific speed changes in the course of a day due to plates or forks on the
belt rather than wear or stretching, or motor variances.
This idea will cost you a six-pack of Makeson's Milk Stout.
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re: QC of cafeteria belt
Great project idea! Since you have basically solved the logistics already
could you put some finishing touches on the op-stats including recommedned
camera, lens focal length, tripod, film, exposure time, lighing, time of
day pictures should be taken, operator gender, flash, and any other
applicable influential parameters.
It would make executing the plan(er) so much more effective!
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7 Ps? I'll get back to that.
> re: QC of cafeteria belt
> Great project idea! Since you have basically solved the logistics >
already could you put some finishing touches on the op-stats including >
recommedned camera, lens focal length, tripod, film, exposure time, >
lighing, time of day pictures should be taken, operator gender, flash, >
and any other applicable influential parameters.
> It would make executing the plan(er) so much more effective!
Stab in the darK:
Camera: 4 x 5 view camera with scratchy lenses and holes
in bellows. No, ;-). Sharp and clean.
Lens: Normal
Tripod: the little bean-bag "beanpod" from CC for ~$5
Film: Nude infrared color x-ray aerial 160mm movie film
Exposure: f/8 at 1/125; bracket like a madman
Lighting: vivitar 283 with infrared x-ray filter
Time of day: high noon
Operator Gender: scullery belt: male, camera: close to neutral
Other parameters: a support staff of experienced food-removal technicians,
tele-video conferencing operators, censors, and bird trainers. And PLENTY
OF MONKEYS! You gotta have MONKEYS!!
I hope that helps. Anyone who wants to try this project, please contact me
to fill out a few simple forms, and we'll get you set up with your very own
Cafeteria-Belt Preventive Maintenance Monitoring System with
Quality-Control Tracking and Wearout Prediction Modules.
properpriorplanningproducespisspoorperformance
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By the way: The cafeteria belt was only an example of a problem to which
you could apply the density=speed calibration challenge issued in a
previous note, and boys and girls have some time during finals week to
think of some applications for this technique, SO GET ON IT.
IMMEDIATELY.
Here, I'll give you an alternative (tawlk amongst yahselves): Come up with
a list of all the people in the world who have contributed at least 1% of
the universe's photography knowledge. Post your lists here.
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More on the Cafeteria Belt problem: The concept is simple.
Simply calibrate your densitometer to give a reading in miles per hour,
instead of density.
Related project: Calibrate your light meter to read ink dot percentages.
This is TRUE measured photography.
Hope everyone had a good break. I had a Mackeson's Milk Stout, a bottle of
San Miguel from Philippines (with the slimy sediment), and a bottle of
Anchor Porter. Speaking of beer: What is the REAL photog beer?
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Using a security type motion detector, photograph people in an unusual
location.
Equipment:
A remote triggering camera, 35mm suggested.
A motion detector, I can lend one out!
A L.S.D. trigger, made in winter instrumentation class.
1 great location, a place where people come and go.
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yeah, great idea you could do it right outside of Show World on Monroe Ave.
or better yet outside of those little booths in Show World.
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if your lucky, you might even catch Doob there. ;^}
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I surprised little kids Halloween my freshman year. The pictures were made
on my porch, with one or two flashes mounted by the door or by the
railing. I sat in a chair on the porch smoking a pipe, with the camera on a
tripod next to me, hidden by a box; a cable release was taped to the arm of
the chair. "Trick or treat!!" POW!!
AHHHH! What was THAT??
...I don't know. You want some candy?
Did you take our picture?
no, no. I wouldn't do that! You want some candy or not?
Uh...Yeah.
hold out your bag!
POW!!
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Two words: temperature & color
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Two words, via THS0067: Virtual Beer
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Take a camera apart and see what makes it tick.
Obviously, a simple camera would be your best bet, since I doubt very many
students are electronic wizards...
You could try to improve the inner workings with a file or some glue here
and there; or rework the mechanism; or refit the finder; or anything! I
think it's a great project for M & P.
Option 2: build your own camera, either from scratch, from spare parts, or
both! Make it unique or specialized and you will learn a lot.
Option 3: DIY enlarger. Think _slide projector_.
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Colorimetric analysis of Beers.
(Cost vs. color)
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Figure out a way to count the number of verticals and the number of
horizontals shot by every photo class at RIT.
If you decide to accept this quest, and achieve it, and post the results,
then you will be elevated to net.god
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Make in-camera separations using other-than RGB filters and print
the resulting negs on color paper in register.
SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
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On a roll today.
Determine the function which plots the curve for a given film. You will
need calculus to do it right, but may be able to get GE results without
calculus. (Good Enough)
I saw this done in some Imaging Science journal article and it is kinda
cool, if you're into that sort of thing. I remember the function looking
something like:
n 3
|\ log (e*x )
y = | log (a )
| ____________________ I'm not sure though. I know
| 3 it looks bad, but it could be
| log (e*y ) done, say, in Mathematica. Or
\| log (b ) not. Anyway, I guess doing it
1 would allow you to plug in
theoretical emulsion
characteristics and actually plot the D-log H curves on a computer. The
article is in the library _somewhere_, but I'd be willing to search my vast
archives at home if someone really wanted it.
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Say, that reminds me.
Here's a good project: Make the world's finest pinhole.
I mean, don't worry about the camera; just make a pinhole.
No, I'm serious. Really. It's both an art and a science. If you make the
pinhole, they will come. That is, you can make the camera later---who cares
about the camera? All it does is hold the film flat at a certain distance
from the pinhole and keep light out. Big deal. Anybody can make a camera.
Anything can serve as a camera. So what.
BUT THE PINHOLE----now there's something! You make a great pinhole, and you
got a GREAT image! I think you could devote your life to making fine
pinholes and selling them: "Only the best, ma'am. Makes great pictures.
'Course, you'll have to build your own camera..."
Any size from about 0.1mm to 2mm would be fine. Probably the bigger the
better, in terms of crafting the absolute finest edge and most perfect
surfaces. You would, of course, need to go about it with some nod to math:
an edge spread function, Fourier transform, MTF, and some testing. But it
could be done. You might even get in Guinness for the best pinhole the
world has ever seen.
Like I said, the camera is the easy part. It's almost a no-brainer. They
got a formula, you plug in some numbers, you punch a few keys, you get the
focal length. No big deal. But you could compare the focal length formula
to akchooal testing, and, using your fine pinhole, turn the pinhole world
on its ear by challenging or even (my god) _refuting_ the
tried-and-true-and-sacred Pinhole Camera Focal Length Formula. So, anyway,
build the pinhole and they will come.
Remember, there's a lot to be said for pinholes. And they have no one to
say it for them. Won't you help the pinholes speak?
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Make an old Mac Plus into
print washer or a developing
tank or a hidden camera.
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The hidden camera has been done, not in a Mac, but my father's business is
CCTV. and he's but cameras into Cigarette packs, and Kleenex Boxes, as
well as Sprinkler Head look-alikes.
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RE: Hidden cameras.
I have always suspected there was a camera above the crapper in the men's
room on the 2nd floor...
PS: Two words: destructive testing
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determine the rotation rate of a coin that is spinning by photographic
means.
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invent a photographic emultion that can be developed by microwave
radiation.
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RE: microwave development
The person who invents it will be an instant millionare.
Related Idea: development by hot air. (yes, i know i have left myself wide
open---so go ahead...)
Related Idea: emulsion developable by Xerox rays
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Two words: fire photography
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Fax to Film.
Try to capture fax output onto litho film and print the results on photo
paper. Add color and you have instant fine art.
Or you could simply compare tone repro of fax, xerox, and various printers.
Or take apart a fax machine. Or make a color fax (instant millionare). Or
start a fax M&P info service, to broadcast grades, answers, or other
trivia. Or use a fax machine as a scanner and write a reproduction profile
for it. Use the fax scanner as a camera. Fax xeroxes. Xerox faxes. Scan
faxed xeroxes. And print them. Then fax the printed scanned faxed xerox,
and scan the faxed printed scanned faxed xerox, and print it.
Put the fax scanner component on a copy machine. Start both. You will have
approximately seven tenths of one second to have your last beer on earth.
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xerox reproductions of slides
using some kind of supplemental
illumination on the glass...
Work it out, baby. No problemo. Adios. Caio.
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I just came across my M&P project report.
It is the worst thing I have no. It is actually the funniest thing I have
well, I will try to post it.
Later. If I can find the disk. Anyway,
here's
the latest idea:
Photograph (or _image_) the various vapors that are emitted from the human
body. This might require some advanced emulsions or specialized imaging
techniques. Or not. Hmmm.
Another idea, just because I got out of Physics early:
Make a film drying cabinet with a built-in illuminator so you can check
your work before it's dry! Or how about making a sink and counter out of
white plexiglas?
Or combine a sink and an easle, and put an enlarger over it.
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Write a plug-in for Photoshop that
simulates different states of drunkeness
photographers might be in at the time
of exposure.
Take a series of pictures that break EVERY
rule presented in M&P.
Determine effects (qualitative & quantitative) of
using different types of reels when developing
film. Also, nail down what type of reel and tank
combination is right for most of the situations
photographers tend to find themselves in. Also,
find a way (new design or new technique) to allow
people to get film onto wet plastic reels.
Test Velvia.
Do a tone repro study of all the variables involved
in photographing moving pictures (films or TV or
QuickTime or flip books or whatever).
Design a way to do dye-sub transfers. This would
be similar to Polaroid transfers, except you'd use
thermal dye-sub printer output (which is photo-like).
It would probably involve some dangerous solvent!!
See just what exactly the difference is between printing
with a condenser vs a diffusion enlarger. You could
print copy shots of your dye-sub transfers...
Determine the psychological effects of
filmless photography.
Test the new Fuji Pictography dry silver printing thing.
Attach a camera to the inside of a garbage truck.
Make a developer (like you do in the labs) but instead
of water, put in beer.
Make ice lenses.
Make a switch that trips depending on air pressure.
The light from the sun is 8 minutes old. The light from
other stars is 8 years old. The light from TV is 8
seconds old. The light from a Vivitar is 8 musecs old.
Hmmm. You are still reading this. Go away.
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Off we go to Physics. I highly recommend it
for all photograhers. Truly inspiring. Especially
after three Rorbachs.
Today's Idea: To catch a falling photon.
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Two words: rotisserie processing
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Also here's an idea. Take two filters and put them in your sink (which has
water with a high concentratre of food coloring) and screw the filters
together. You will have colored filters of any color you want. I tried
this and it worked From: "Robert J. Elliott"
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Donuthole photography.
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Devise a standardized, reliable, scientific
developer test kit. Include charts, graphs,
test strips, etc.
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How many M & P students read this?
If there is just ONE, would you, gentlestudent, please post a list of the
recent M & P Projects presented to your M & P section this week? PLEASE!
please. pretty please. with sugar on top and a cherry? please.
pleasepostprojectsplease.
please.
p l e a s e ?
pppppplllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaassssssssseeeeee.
pls
I betcha no M&P students even read notes at all. It doesn't matter, I'll
probably ge
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I want to repeat my request that some good m&P student please post a list
of the projects presented to your class. This is not a joke. If no list
appears, I am going to do something drastic.
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Like what?
I'd like to know specifics.
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I don't know about this year but two years ago we had tons o' light
boxes!
M+P project proposal, process film using roof water from the third
floor lounge area (be careful and don't slip!).
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> Make in-camera separations using other-than RGB filters and print
> the resulting negs on color paper in register.
> SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
I always wanted to do something similar with different IR films (Kodak,
Konica) and print them. Since the different films have different
sensitivities (are there enough i's in that word or what?) you could print
that as different colors using different filters in the printing end.
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I love the idea!
IR seperations with filters, then printing the negs
with still other filters is a great idea.
Here's some ideas I have been too busy to post recently:
1. stereo microfilm
2. enlarger/camera combo
3. magnetic stripe or dx coding for Versamats
4. create-a-print from floppy or photocd
5. flashing & solarizing with electronic flash & colored filters
6. Live Picture vs Photoshop (blur, rotate, etc.)
7. remote-triggered pinhole cameras & their application
8. photo-reconstruction or recreation (forensic-style)
9. paired-comparison vs modified paired-comparison vs...
10. DIY lens coatings
11. Phony photo contest
12. 3-D slit scan --digital?
13. bubble ascent velocity in beer (spcfc.grav or density indicator?)
14. ni-cad vs alkaline vs those new eco-batteries for flash
15. pre-treating film or paper to alter exposure (dyes?)
16. photograph the inside of a drinking straw (or...?)
17. flying film--you're on your own
18. IR paper or printing IR pix onto polaroids (IR 'roids?)
19. IR TV or UV TV or TV as luminant
20. Xerox a TV
21. meter reliability in ozone-rich air, or fallout region
22. stroboscope linked to computer keyboard to record passwords
More to follow, and let's hear from you wacky M&P students. This is
the place for you...Really. I remain your humble mentor, er,
servant. Um. Well. Gotta go. Gotta go bathe Grandma.
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So what? M&P projects may be over, but the ideas live on!
Long live M & P Projects!
I'd still love to see ideas posted here.
Please, please, post your ideas and let me bathe your grandma.
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Worm Holocaust, revisited
today my worm brothers, survivors of the last Big One
die in vain
one vein
no brain
one nerve, wiggling at first, withering and stretched long
searching for. . . .
^ ^ ^^ ^ ^^
^ ^ ^^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
the wet earth,
but not too wet.
Forced out by floods, my tiny
long
brothers, the strong, are dead.
Who remains?
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Two words: worm photograms
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Two words: color temperture
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One Word: Dictionary
"Color Temperature"
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Figure out what kind of light
it takes to burn out a CCD. Eclipse?
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Just pointing the ccd at the sun, w/o a lens/diaphragm
will burn it out 1 pixel at a time.
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I have an idea.. how about making an pinhole camera that uses infered film,
chromes, vps films, different kind of materials to make the cameras from.
Sounds good, Sorry I think I'm gonna do that one.
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.......... with many thanks to Bill Dodson, Chris Hoffmaster, Trent Siegel,
Jennifer Bates, David Mersfelder, Doob, Toshia McCabe, Chris Kohanek (PPHM)
and possibly one or more additional exceptionally weird Photo Techs.
1993-4 was a GREAT year!
thanks, andy